hi iam a new user to alliance i was using magic 6.4 layout editor to do my layouts i would like to use alliance and magic togather but cif files generated by s2r cannot be opened under magic also i would like to know how to optain technology files for alliance or s2r in magic iam using tech files for scmos(scalabel cmos) 1u technology and i would like to use them with alliance how could this be done thank u for your help ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com