To: Alliance support team Dear Sir/Madam: First at all, I'd like to congratulate you for your Alliance system. It's very useful. I described a small circuit in VHDL and throughly simulate it with Alliance. I obtained the '.ap' file, and the masks can be seen well with Graal. But, I'd like to open them with Magic (CAD tool from Digital) and simulate electrically the circuit with Spice (Berkeley's Linux version), for validation. So, I've got two questions about it: 1 - How can I translate the '.ap' type file to Magic ? ; 2 - Can I obtain a Spice description ? I can translate from '.ap' to CIF, but I can't open it with Magic. There are many errors. I can see only few connections. We haven't got much experience with Alliance. Do you have a quick guide or tutorial ? Sorry about so many questions. Thanks in advanced, Victor Miranda victor@ldn1.ee.ufpe.br