Folks, I am interested in VLSI design tools, primarily for classroom use but also for some research. I picked up alliance-3.0, which looks very interesting, but noticed nothing has been done on it for 2 years. My hope is that it is perfect 8-), but I suspect that the users/developers have moved on to other things. Are there still active alliance users? Developers? Is there some superior package that everyone has moved to? Any help would be appreciated. thanks dayton Dayton Clark CIS Department dayton@brooklyn.cuny.edu Brooklyn College/CUNY 1-718-951-4811 Brooklyn, New York 11210 1-718-951-4842 (fax)