From ts@uwasa.fi  Sun Mar 21 19:15:00 1993
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: pc/pd2/tspost21.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: RO

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post21.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the twenty-first file that contains my replies and
comments that I or others have made by email, or just written here
instead of posting to (mainly to) comp.archives.msdos.d, or postings
that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest tspost??.zip is always being updated until
it contains 30 messages.  The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory.
   For an index of all the completed tspost*.zip files please see
/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.



From roe2@ellis.uchicago.edu Thu Jul 21 07:32:31 EET DST 1994
Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: roe2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Cave Newt)
Subject: Archie is not useful (Actually: Re: LHA old version or data files needed!)
Reply-To: roe2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
References: <774647445snx@aip.nl> <19940719174230.ghisler@laser20.unibe.ch> <19940720104245.ghisler@laser20.unibe.ch>
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 03:55:36 GMT
Lines: 18
Status: RO

ghisler@iap.unibe.ch  (Christian Ghisler) writes:

>> An archie search did not find any packer called larc, only the c source to
>> lha for unix I already have.

>I don't know why archie did not find it, so sorry for the confusion.

I've found that archie is next to useless for most searches.  For example,
most of the hits for unzip are versions two to three years out of date,
and the most recent one is an Amiga beta from 18 months ago.  A search for
mtools found mainly version 1.0, although it did produce a fairly recent
FreeBSD port (which, fortunately, appears to contain the full sources).
A search last year for redt or sedt found nothing usable.  And so on...
I don't know who maintains the archie servers (maybe I just got stuck
with an old one?), but they're missing big, obvious sites like ftp.uu.net,
oak.oakland.edu, garbo.uwasa.fi, etc.

Greg Roelofs


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Jul 31 19:11:04 1994
Subject: Re: Update frequency of Garbo indexes
To: jeff.fanjoy@westonia.com (Jeff Fanjoy)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 19:11:04 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <f0.18737.1@westonia.com> from "Jeff Fanjoy" at Jul 28, 94 06:22:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>  TS> garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
>  TS> garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP
>  TS> garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/UINDEX.ZIP
>  TS> garbo.uwasa.fi:/windows/WINDEX.ZIP
>  TS> garbo.uwasa.fi:/ql/QLINDEX
>
>      Thanks for the list.  How often are these lists updated (well, at least
> the first two)?  Thanks again!

Hello Jeff,

In fact each is updated as often as there are updates to the
relevant section of Garbo archives.  Especially INDEX.ZIP, which is
the MsDos files index, can well be updated even several times a day.
In the case of INDEXTS.ZIP the update frequency can also be observed
from /pc/ts/0news-ts.  It usually ranges between one and four weeks.

   All the best, Timo

> Jeff Fanjoy (Micky)
> MatrixSoft(tm) - SWAG Support Team
> jeff.fanjoy@westonia.com

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Jul 31 19:02:29 1994
Subject: Re: Can I do something for you?
To: ernie@s850.mwc.edu (ernest ackermann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 19:02:29 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9407301629.AA13594@uwasa.fi> from "ernest ackermann" at Jul 30, 94 12:28:06 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>  thanks very much for the information. I think you're doing a great
>  service for everyone on the Internet. Your answers always seem
>  appropriate, timely, and accurate. The ftp site you manage seems very
>  nice as well. Please let me know if I can do
>  anything for you.

That is very nice of you Ernest.  Ok, since you make the gentle
offer, there actually is one thing.  If you are into MsDos programs
and BBSes you could upload some of the programs in
garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts directory to a good local BBS.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Aug  6 11:34:09 EET DST 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
To: Garbo uploader
Subject: Re: Can't make the upload to Garbo succeed
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 08:32:10 GMT
Status: RO

> Timo,
>
> I got your message about re-sending xxxxxx.zip.  When I try to put the
> file in /pc/incoming, I get a Permission Denied error.  Is the directory
> full, or am I doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks for your help!

Hello Valued Garbo Uploader,

When you logged into Garbo as an anonymous user you might have used
the following type of password

-YourEmailAddress@host.domain
^

This is correct, but when you use the "-" it prevents you from
seeing our guidance when you cd to various Garbo directories, like
the current

 /pc/incoming For users' uploads.  First carefully read /pc/UPLOAD.INF

 THE INCOMING DIRECTORY HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR THE DURATION OF THE WEEKEND.
 HAVE A NICE WEEKEND, AND WELCOME BACK ON MONDAY!

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Aug 15 14:09:22 1994
Subject: Re: Cannot connect to freeport.uwasa.fi
To: xxxxxxx@u.washington.edu
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 14:09:22 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

(Your entire message is quoted for the information of the other
recipients.)

Hello ....,

>I am at the University of Washington in Seattle, Washington, USA.  I
>cannot connect to Freeport (freeport.uwasa.fi).  I used an account
>of my father's to find out an email address so I could write about
>this, but please forgive me if I am talking to the wrong person.

I will forward your query to Ari Hovila ajh@uwasa.fi who is one of
the persons who have the foremost responsibility of our BBS system.
But since your query came through me I'll include some of my own
personal thoughts on our BBS policies.

>Here at the UW (University of Washington), we cannot connect to your
>service, and I am told by our administrators that it is you guys who
>are blocking it and not us.  I am trying to connect from:
>
>stein.u.washington.edu

Yes.  This may indeed be so, since contrary to our Garbo anonymous
FTP site activities we are not exactly encouraging international
telnet connections to our BBS.  I am not quite familiar with the
technical details.

>If possible, either forward this mail the concerned party, or even
>better, if I am talking to the right person, please tell me why the
>connection is blocked.

Our main international operation on the computer side is our public
MsDos program library, Garbo, which you can reach both by ftp and
mail server in case you do not have an ftp capability.  Our "Vaasa
Freeport" BBS is primarily meant for the domestic community and
local municipal communication, and for users who have no other
access than calling us by phone using a modem connection.

>You are the only place I know that carries
>ALL Usenet newsgroups, so I am very interested in your service.

I think that we do not get quite all the newsgroups, but that is an
aside.

I am afraid that the purpose of our BBS is not to be a free
alternative users who cannot locally get all the newsgroups they
want.  As far as I know there are several commercial systems in the
US who sell such connections to Usenet.  I see no reason why we
should "compete" with them, or the local sites with less newsgroups
than what we offer.  We could, of course, consider giving
international access for a fee, but there are too many practical
problems, and probably not sufficient interest.

Please do not be discouraged by the seeming bluntness of this
response.  It is not meant to be unfriendly.  On the contrary.
Those just are the facts and I do not know how else to put them.

>                                Thank you,
>                                R.... K.....

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 15:30:53 +0300 (EET DST)
-From: ts (Timo Salmi)
-To: xxxxxxx@u.washington.edu
-Cc: postmaster@stein.u.washington.edu
-Subject: Re: I cannot connect to freeport.uwasa.fi

> better, if I am talking to the right person, please tell me why the
> connection is blocked.  You are the only place I know that carries ALL

Hello again R...,

I now have further information on not letting users in from
stein.u.washington.edu or hardy.u.washington.edu to Vaasa Freeport
BBS and to Garbo FTP archives.  Our system managers Ari Hovila
ajh@uwasa.fi and Hannu Hirvonen hh@uwasa.fi tell me that there have
been crackers from your site attempting to break our accounts.  The
system administration at your end has not had sufficient time to try
to track down the culprits.  This being the case I don't think I'll
be recommending restoring the connections from any sites at
washington.edu.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

-Date: 27 Aug 1994 17:52:25 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: Garbo ftp down?

In article <33nmn0$pqq@news.u.washington.edu> dcflood@u.washington.edu (David Flood) writes:
:For the past few days any attempt to ftp to garbo gets a connected message
:then a disconncect.  ping shows it as up but aparently it is in a "I want
:to be alone" phase again.  Anyone else having problems similar to this?

Try again, and if the problem still persist, contact your own site's
system manager.  I see from our logs that there have been thousands
of downloads from Garbo each day from all corners of the world.

The University of Vaasa is physically in the process of moving to a
new campus.  That causes intermittent off-line situations at this
end all through August and September, since the network has to be
extended at this end.  But the cut-offs have been brief.

OOOPS!  Hey, wait a minute.  I am very sorry.  Only now I realized
your site's address.  I very much regret to inform you and the other
innocent u.washington.edu users that you unfortunately are suffering
from attempts apparently from stein.u.washington.edu and/or
hardy.u.washington.edu to crack our accounts.  Until your locale can
assure us that the problem has been properly taken care of, I regret
to have to tell you that your locale's access has been cut off from
Garbo indefinitely.  The sysadmins at your end have been notified
already some time ago by ours, but we have not received any
information that the problem would have been satisfactorily
resolved.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: 27 Aug 1994 18:55:08 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: Garbo ftp down?

In article <33nugp$me7@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
:In article <33nmn0$pqq@news.u.washington.edu> dcflood@u.washington.edu (David Flood) writes:
::For the past few days any attempt to ftp to garbo gets a connected message
::then a disconncect.  ping shows it as up but aparently it is in a "I want

:your site's address.  I very much regret to inform you and the other
:innocent u.washington.edu users that you unfortunately are suffering

A tip for u.washington.edu users.  For the time being use a Garbo
mirror.  They are not directly affected by our security decision,
but make their own.  The purpose of our actions is not to prevent
the u.washington.edu users from getting Garbo material, but to
protect ourselves against the cracking attempts.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts Wed Aug 17 07:04:16 1994
Subject: Re: SIMTEL, great.  What about games?
To: xxx@xxx.bu.edu
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:04:16 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <199408162227.SAA116652@acs4.bu.edu> from "valazza@acs.bu.edu" at Aug 16, 94 06:27:50 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

You write in email to the Garbo moderator Timo Salmi (that is yours
truly):

> Hi,
>       Do you know where I can ftp the pkunzip program?
>
> Thanks

Dear Garbo User,

Please don't be put off by this response.  I always look forward to
hearing from fellow users, and I hope that you do not hesitate to
contact me also in the future.

Please do not get this wrong.  I am very pleased to try to help, but
I would much prefer if these questions concerning where to find a
shareware or PD MsDos program were posted to the Usenet news to the
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted newsgroup.

The reason is twofold.  I get an awful lot of email as it is.  The
email is highly welcome.  Nevertheless, I simply am too pressed for
time to privately consult by email time after time on general
problems that are much better asked publicly on the Usenet news.  As
I said I am happy to try to help, but while I am a moderator at
Garbo on the side of my actual profession, I can't be everyone's
private librarian to utilize finding things at will.

The added advantage if you post your "looking for such and such
program" to the Usenet news is that the potential answers on the
news might well benefit also other interested readers.

You may have been encouraged by the fact that I frequently answer
questions on the UseNet news.  It is not impossible that I might end
up answering yours on the news if I can.  But please note a
difference.  On the news I can pick the familiar questions to
answer.  Even more importantly one gets to answer the same question
for the hopeful benefit of a number of users at one go.

Also, it would be polite to sign your email (to anyone) with your
full name.  Now I do not even know whom I'll be helping.  Maybe I am
oldfashioned in this respect, but I must confess that I am put off
by the anonymity.  Another, more minor tip is that you could find it
useful to use more accurate subject headers, like "Where can I find
PKUNZIP" in this case.

The answer to your actual question is that the pkunzip program is
included in

 202574 Feb 1 02:04 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/pkz204g.exe
 pkz204g.exe PKWARE's pkzip, pkunzip, pkzipfix, zip2exe for .zip

A good alternative is

 229715 Aug 3 14:48 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/unz511x3.exe
 unz511x3.exe Info-ZIP's self-extracting unzipper (with 386 version)

Again with my best assurances, that my response is meant in the most
friendly way.  Not as a reproach.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Aug 18 07:07:08 EET DST 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Battle for the Soul of the Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:37:56 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

New and old users alike will probably find of interest the article
with the said subject in Time International No 30 July 25 (yes, 25),
pp 34-40 by Philip Elmer-DeWitt.  It is a well written account of
the Internet and Usenet news culture, and several recent
controversies, for the general public.  It starts from a balanced
explanation of the Green Card spam and then expands to the questions
of Internet culture and problems in general.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Aug 20 07:09:20 1994
Subject: Re: The Best Of Shareware List (wanted)
To: xxxxx@freenet.carleton.ca
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 07:09:20 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> In a previous article, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) says:
> > 9599 May 21 08:56 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/bestp28b.zip
> > bestpr28.zip Timo's choice of 28 best MsDos SW and PD packages
> > 27612 May 8 03:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/useful35.zip
> > useful35.zip The Most Useful PC Programs at SimTel and Garbo, S.Ko
>
> Can I ask you to post these (at least the first one, which seems fairly
> short)? I can't use FTP so I can't get these lists (and I'm not supposed
> to use ftpmail with this account), but I'm usually able to find the
> programs on local BBSs if I know what I'm looking for.

Dear User,

Thank you for your welcome question.  I am sorry, but I'll have to
say no.  This material is readily available both by FTP (when one
has it) and through email using Garbo's mail server.  Hence I am
afraid that you'll have to negotiate locally about your site's
policies, or get another host.  This is both a matter of principle
and practice.  In principle I am not overly keen to see material
posted which one can get from the sites, even if I've never actually
objected to Samuel Ko's posting his very useful but long list.  But
I don't think I'll be doing the same with mine.  More importantly,
in practice it would be another (unnecessary) load on my frankly
scarce moderating time resources.

If you need the information about Garbo's mail server my standard
offer is available.  Here it is in full, since I'll post a copy of
this reply, which should have also general interest.

"If you do not know how to go about getting this material, users are
welcome to email me for the prerecorded garbo.uwasa.fi instructions
(long, circa 29Kb).  The overseas users are referred to the various
Garbo mirrors at their convenience.  For the mirrors please get the
file /pc/pd2/moder39.zip in due time.  The mirrors may lag or might
not have all the Garbo files.  If you do not receive my reply within
five days, please ask your own site's system manager to construct a
returnable mail path for you".

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Aug 21 08:24:48 1994
Subject: Re: TSBAT45 and DRDOS6
To: jmcging@access.digex.net (John McGing)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 08:24:48 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <199408201938.AA01492@access1.digex.net> from "John McGing" at Aug 20, 94 03:38:10 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Timo,

Hi John,

> Your DAILY bat file is the solution to a problem I had, but since I
> run DRDOS6 I thought I'd let you know that file compare (fc) in
> DRDOS6 gives back a different message than MS-DOS does, so that file
> compares always don't work.

Yes.  I should state even more clearly that by batches and in fact
all my programs are intended for the vanilla MsDos with command.com.
There are a few discrepancies if one uses DRDOS instead of MsDos or
uses 4dos instead of command.com.  This does not concern my programs
alone.  It is the price one has to pay for these otherwise more
flexible alternatives.

> By changing the expression to match for to "Files match" I was able
> to deal with this difference between the DOS's.  I mention this only
> because you may want to add to the docs that DRDOS is different (I
> don't know what NOVELLDOS 7 says) and users ought to anticipate
> that.

Yes, indeed.  I'll have to make a mental note to add the warning.
The users of DRDOS and 4DOS will have to be prepared to find ways to
counter the few incompatibilities when using material that has been
written and tested for vanilla MsDos.

The two other major problems I have encountered is that it seems
that DRDOS does not internally signal the existence of files and
directories the same way as MsDos.  This can lead to programs and
batches misinterpreting the existence status, which could be
dangerous for data integrity under some circumstances.

The other problem is with 4DOS.  The ^ is a command separator and if
originally intended in a program for another purpose on the command
line, it will cause havoc to the programs logic.  I have a program
for calculating expressions that goes like this: fn 3+4.  But if one
uses fn 3^4 for exponentiation with 4DOS, an error will ensue.

> Good stuff, though!  Thanks so much

Thank you.  I appreciate the compliment.

> John

   All the best, Timo

>  -- ------------------------------------------------------------------
> jmcging@access.digex.net   Nobody knows the troubles I've seen
> jmcging@ssa.gov              .... and nobody cares!
> J.MCGING on GEnie  70142,1357 on Compuserve     Team OS/2

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Aug 21 09:40:18 EET DST 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Can I stay anonymous?
Date: 21 Aug 1994 06:37:28 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Lines: 30
Status: RO

A user writes on the Usenet news in news.newsusers.questions:
>As a new user who sometimes want to post discreetly to one of the "alt"
>groups, I am wondering if I can protect my identity without violating
>netiquette.  I'm working from a university PC, and my set up menu allows me

That's at a long last exactly the right spirit!  You can get more
information by sending email to help@anon.penet.fi.

>to change user name, full name, institution, etc.  I am trying this one time
>to send a message with these items changed.  Is there anything to prevent me
>from doing so, either legally or morally?  Is it foolproof?

If you have sensitive issues to discuss, use the anon service
referred to in the above instead of forging your proper user name as
unfortunately so many users do.  If you use the anon server for the
sensitive issues then you can otherwise post under your own, proper
identity to the net.  This has the definite advantage that help and
constructive responses are easier to elicit in most newsgroups under
one's true identity.

Be aware of the fact that some users, like yours truly, will decline
receiving anonymous email and will usually skip anonymous postings
on the Usenet news.

Also be aware that many institutions like the University of Vaasa
have official statutes that explicitly forbid their users from
posting or emailing anonymously.

To sum up: Use proper anonymity if you absolutely must.  Don't
resort to cheap forgery!

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Aug 22 16:20:31 1994
Subject: Re: Cal. week number question of DTETIM.EXE
To: wesley_chen@wellex.wellex.com
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:20:31 +0300 (EET DST)
Cc: sjp@uwasa.fi (Seppo Pynnonen)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>    Hi,

Hello Wesley,

>      Prof. Timo Salmi, I got a question about your util. DTETIM.EXE.
>   hope you can help me when you have time.

I am pleased to hear that you are using

 129120 Sep 17 1993 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsutil39.zip
 tsutil39.zip Timo's 1st utility set (sysinfo,dirw,dtetimal,timelog,...)

> *******************************************************************
> DTETIM.EXE (Ver. 1.3)  Displays current date and time
> ==========
>
> Usage: DTETIM [/s(hort version)]
>    or  DTETIM ?
>
> DaTE and TIMe displays the current date including the name of the
> weekday and the name of the month. This command is useful e.g. in
> autoexec.bat if you quickly just wish to check whether your system
> clock is set right.
>    Release notes: Version 1.3: The program now also display the week
> number and the day number of the current date. If you want to omit
> them, use the /s switch. The week number algorithm was kindly
> written for me by Seppo Pynnonen, Ph.D, University of Vaasa.
> ********************************************************************
>
>   Q: I need the Week number of the day, what is this program based on ?
>     (1) Sunday-Mon...Fri.-Sat.  ? or
>     (2) Mon....-Fri.-Sat.-Sun   ?

It indeed uses option (2).

>   it seems start from Mon. alright, but my Co.'s calendar is one week
>   ahead.  (8-15 to 8-21 is 34th Week in my Co.), which confused me.
>
>    ** Is there have some kind of standard or Industrial difference ?

I discussed this with Seppo, and we honestly have to admit that we
do not know.  Our algorithm is based on the official Finnish
calendar.  But this was useful for us from the point of view that I
learned from Seppo that there will be an error in the weeks in 2000.
Well have to correct that.  Fortunately there are a few years still
left to do that.  :-)

>    Sincerely

I am sorry that we could not be of more help.  I would have liked to.

>    Wesley Chen.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Aug 25 22:32:46 1994
Subject: Re: tspun15.zip Timo's nauseating groaners (a collection of puns)
To: bsteinke@bj.dsd.ES.COM.dsd.es.com (Bruce Steinke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 22:32:46 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9408251428.AA04156@bj.dsd.ES.COM.dsd.ES.COM> from "Bruce Steinke" at Aug 25, 94 08:28:10 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> |>  8911 Aug 24 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspun15.zip
> |>  tspun15.zip Timo's nauseating groaners (a collection of puns)
>
> Timo,

Hi Bruce!

> As a long time practitioner of that fine art of punning, I thoroughly admired
> this collection. Along with all else that you do for this news group, keep up
> the punishment!

That's very nice of you.  I appreciate and enjoy the compliment.

I like the challenge, since after all English is not my native
language, even if I fancy being quite fluent in it.  I think that
making puns is one of the toughest tests one can take in a foreign
language.

> -Bruce

   All the best, Timo

>   Bruce F. Steinke                    | "Never know when you're going to
>   bsteinke@dsd.es.com                 |  need a good piece of rope."
>   Software Technical Support Engineer |               Sam Gamgee
>   Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.   |
>   Salt Lake City, Utah, USA           |      <My mail, My Opinions>

..................................................................
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From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Aug 26 13:56:31 1994
Subject: Re: TSUTIL40.ZIP
To: mdean@melbpc.org.au (Malcolm Dean)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 13:56:31 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.87.9408250927.B27774-0100000@server.melbpc.org.au> from "Malcolm Dean" at Aug 25, 94 09:38:27 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>Timo ,

Hi Malcolm!

>Thanks for releasing this set of utilities.

I am pleased that you liked

 130228 Aug 22 08:29 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsutil40.zip
 tsutil40.zip Timo's 1st utility set (sysinfo,dirw,dtetimal,timelog,...)

>I think that I will find DIRS and DIRD of particular use.
>What would make these two tools even more useful would be a couple more
>switches to throw that could for example ..
>
>    -  delete , move , copy , touch (attributes,date,time)
>
>the files listed as output.

That is true, and the suggestion is very welcome.  But in this case
I think that writing a fully-fledged two-directory manager quite a
separate and quite a big project.  The purpose of DIRS and DIRD is
to be much simpler than that.  Besides, I must grant that there
already exists a very fine program for that purpose which I can
heartily recommend.  It is

 17948 Apr 16 23:03 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pcmagutl/dirmat31.zip
 dirmat31.zip Dirmatch update for comparing & manipulating two dirs

>Regards  ..  Malcolm Dean
>             Melbourne , Australia

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Aug 26 14:03:36 EET DST 1994
Article: 3236 of comp.archives.msdos.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: garbo directory browser
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 19:25:46 GMT
Status: RO

> I wanted to know that if there is anything like garbo directory
> browser as it is for cica or simtel.

I am not quite sure what the directory browsers for the other sites
are like, but what I have is:

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat45.zip Batch file collection, T.Salmi
Filename        Comment                             Date      Time
--------        --------------------------------    ----      ----
:
GFIND.BAT       Combine Garbo index files info    04-13-93  20:29:58
:
----            ------             ------  -----
0076            263035

 4860 May 7 11:03 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/gfind
 gfind A convenient Unix script for Garbo index searches

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: 26 Aug 94 08:59:40 GMT
-From: Marko.Bohanec@ijs.si (Marko Bohanec)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: garbo directory browser

> I wanted to know that if there is anything like garbo directory
> browser as it is for cica or simtel.

You can use SimTel's browsers directly if you convert Garbo's
directory and index files into a SimTel-compatible .IDX format.  Try
this:

garbo:/pc/filelist/
gidx22.zip 10601 8 931015 Create a SimTel-compatible .IDX file for Garbo

Best regards,

Marko Bohanec

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Aug 27 08:02:44 1994
Subject: Re: CMOS.EXE checksum error
To: olcay@libtech.com (olcay cirit)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 08:02:44 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9408270057.AA06184@libtech.com> from "olcay cirit" at Aug 26, 94 05:57:24 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

Hello Olcay,

>I saw your program, CMOS. It reported that there was
>a Checksum error, Date error, and filesize error.
>This is probably because it was compressed with PKlite.

My "CMOS.EXE Display of the CMOS information" from

 73533 Apr 12 1993 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsutle22.zip
 tsutle22.zip Timo's 5th utility set

indeed has a self-check for the file datestamp, size, and checksum.
The self-check is directed against tampering like patching, viruses
or otherwise detaching the program and distributing it separately
from the rest of the package.  Your problem is easily solved by
getting a fresh copy from Garbo.

Some users have gotten CMOS.EXE from the companion disk to the book
John Goodman and John Socha, Dos 6.0 Power Tools, Techniques, Tricks
and Untilities, Bantam Power Tools Series, 1993.  Unfortunately the
published made the trivial blunder of changing the datestamps of all
the programs on the disk.  This naturally triggers the CMOS.EXE
program's alarm.

>But I have a question on programming: How does one implement
>checksums? I was thinking it might involve some form of
>hashing, but I'm not sure. I would like to implement it in my
>program to prevent people from modifying it, and also,
>as you used it, to prevent viruses.

If you program in Turbo Pascal the question is partly covered in
item #40 "Executable branding" in

 71507 Jun 15 20:21 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaqp20.zip
 tsfaqp20.zip Common Turbo Pascal Questions and Timo's answers

>                Thanks Much,
>        Olcay Cirit <olcay@libtech.com>

   All the best, Timo

>--
>Olcay Cirit       (|)   Person: Which came first, Chicken, or the Egg?
>-------------------|) Computer: Chicken came after egg came before chicken?
>olcay@libtech.com (|)  [Sound]: Thudd!

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Aug 29 15:43:22 1994
Subject: Re: Some hints for MODER*.ZIP
To: CCENDM03%BRUFPB@FINHUTC.hut.fi (Lenimar Nunes)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:43:22 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>Dear Timo Salmi:

Hello Lenimar!

>     I got recently your file TSBAT*.ZIP. I found it very useful and
>interesting. I appreciated your work.

I am pleased that you liked my
 113768 May 31 18:19 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat45.zip
 tsbat45.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks.

As it happens I am in the process of preparing an update. I'll
naturally announce it in due time.

>     I like very much your file MODER*.ZIP. It is very, very, ...,
>very useful and well written. Congratulations! Here are two hints to
>MODER*.ZIP:
>
>     (1) Include at the beggining of the file a section "What is new"

That is a very good suggestion, but I have so much work that I must
cut corners somewhere.  This is one of the occasions where I just
would be able to afford to follow a useful suggestion.

>instead of saying simply "run any good diff program ...". By the way,
>where can we find a "diff program" ?

If you are reading it on Unix, then see "man diff". As for MsDos, it
comes with one, called FC.  There also is an old
 19292 Mar 10 1986 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/fileutil/diff.zip
 diff.zip File comparison

>     (2) Recently I got a copy of the FIGLET program and I am finding
>it very good. It displays big characters on screen using a lot of
>fonts (Roman, Italic, Gothic, ...) _using_only_ASCII_characteres_ .
>I like to make big titles in ASCII to include at the beggining of
>my source programs. If you don't know FIGLET, try to know it; probably
>you will like it. You can find it at
>
>            ftp.isu.edu: /pub/figlet
>or at
>            ftp.wwa.com: /put/Scarecrow/Figlet

Would you like to have Garbo's upload instructions?  Again,
unfortunately, I am far too pressed for time to do the work myself.

>     My suggestion is: if you find FIGLET and the ASCII art files
>interesting, add a point to them in MODER*.LST.

It might be interesting as a detached upload.  But sees too
specialized to be referred to in
 19653 Aug 10 21:36 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/moder39.zip
 moder39.zip A list of MsDos FTP sites and moderators, by TS + RW

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep  4 04:31:56 1994
Subject: Re: Thank you for sl9*.gif
To: ctoth@umd5.umd.edu (Charles Toth)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 04:31:56 +0300 (EET DST)
Cc: ajh@uwasa.fi (Ari Hovila), jik@uwasa.fi (Jouni Ikonen)
In-Reply-To: <199409031844.OAA06644@yorick.umd.edu> from "Charles Toth" at Sep 3, 94 02:44:35 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>         Thanks again from Maryland in the USA for the series of
> Shoemaker-Levy/9 astronomical GIF pictures.  Pass our (Russell's
> and mine) thanks on to the rest of your staff.

You are most welcome Charlie.  Even if it is in a way entertaining,
this material in Garbo's /pc/gifastro directory serves a very
serious purpose.  It tries to lure people to get interested in
science.  We are a remote university and along making ourselves
known the underlying goal of Garbo is the enhancement of skills,
rational knowledge and scientific thinking.  The astronomy related
gifs can make people think of these matters and to realize that we
live on a planet with limited resources.  They hopefully make users
better appreciate the global nature of society, and sadly the fact
that in the end the unheeded population growth can and will put an
end to the modern culture on our only Earth.

> Charlie Toth
> Owens Science Center

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep  4 22:41:14 1994
Subject: Re: base????.exe programs in tsbat46.zip
To: benzion@HUM.HUJI.AC.IL (Cassouto Ben-Zion Y.)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 22:41:14 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <2E6A3FC8@mailhum.huji.ac.il> from "Cassouto Ben-Zion Y." at Sep 4, 94 02:42:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hello Timo,

Hi Benzion,

> Kudos on all the fine things you release to the public...

I am glad that you liked my garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat46.zip.

> 1. I wanted to report a bug in the basepath/name/etc utils: "Memory
> allocation error" - unless I run it first w/no params. This occurs
> particularly when a 2nd command processor is called, eg: from Norton
> Cmdr or such.

You are talking about
 BASENAME.EXE    Extract file name from full name
 BASEPATH.EXE    Extract path name from full name
 BASEXTEN.EXE    Extract file extension from name

What you do probably causes in some way havoc with the environment.
I am afraid that I have difficulties in reproducing this error,
which would be necessary to look further into it. But please note
that just like all the batches and the related utilities in
tsbat46.zip these programs are for vanilla MsDos batch usage. That
is MsDos, under command.com, and in batch files. Did the error occur
when you run a test BATCH file like this

  @echo off
  basename r:\cmand\command.com
  basepath r:\cmand\command.com
  echo %basename%
  echo %basepath%

> 2. Question: how do you do a "set" dos environ var, e.g. in TPascal.
> Calling a command processor obviously is not useful to a desired
> set in the master environment?

I cave a canned reply to this recurring question in garbo.uwasa.fi:
/pc/ts/tsfaqp20.zip.

> 3. Comment: I was disappointed by your comment on accepting the
> limits of bat tricks, re: getting the base filename. If we want to
> simply use external utilities we can dispense with many tricks and
> even with the base???? utils you use and simply use a single good
> batch enhancer like batchman. This is also very preferable to messy
> aux bat files and using find/sort/etc.

Don't be overly disappointed. One has to draw the line somewhere. In
this case trying to perform the task without batch enhancers becomes
too convoluted in my opinion. I decided to choose between omitting
the task altogether and including the enhancers. I made the latter
decision.

> I basically like having self-contained bat files that don'y depend
> on any external files being present and dos ver issues that result,
> etc.

So do I, to a reasonable limit. I think that in this particular task
the reasonable was extended too much.

> BTW, what is the PC Mag method for getting the basefilename, if you
> have it handy. I use a variation on your getting the extension trick

The method by Neil Rubenking can be found in PC Magazine April 26,
1994, Vol. 13, No. 8, pp. 275-276.  I am afraid that there is no
way I will take the time to copy it from there, since the issue is
readily available.

> with a bit of somewhat slow recursion to catch the otherwise dumped
> first character of the filename - if this is not clear I'll be glad
> to send you a copy of the trick.

You are most welcome. What usually do with with the users' own
version is I store them in the garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspost*.zip
information files.

> Regards,
>
> Benzion

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Sep  8 11:57:52 1994
Subject: Re: Garbo's FTP log list
To: corbier@sefl.satelnet.org (Daniel Corbier)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:57:52 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <199409080730.DAA10108@sefl.satelnet.org> from "Daniel Corbier" at Sep 8, 94 03:30:27 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hi Timo,

Hello Daniel!

> Unfortunately, this site has had some trouble, and newsgroup messages
> didn't make it through, so I missed the last weekly FTP log list that
> you usually post.  I remember that you used to also place it in
> a directory at garbo, but I don't remember which one (I couldn't
> find it in pd2).  Can you please e-mail me the latest FTPLOG
> list if possible?  Or advise me as to where I can find it.

 10075 Sep 5 07:56 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog35.lst
 ftplog35.lst Ftp stats from Garbo (calls,files,hosts) week 35 1994

 172367 Sep 5 07:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog94.zip
 ftplog94.zip Weekly download statistics for Garbo in 1994

 101090 Sep 5 07:18 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftpts94.zip
 ftpts94.zip Downloads of Timo's files in 1994

Also of interest

 50781 Sep 1 10:30 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/newf94.zip
 newf94.zip Annotated new Garbo files list, 1994

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep 11 18:42:04 1994
Subject: Re: Tspell spelling checker
To: patricia.malone@nwcs.org (Patricia Malone)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 18:42:04 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9409101114272682@nwcs.org> from "Patricia Malone" at Sep 10, 94 03:24:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

Hello Patricia,

> Interesting program you have here but the documentation leaves
> something to be desired.

I am pleased to here that you found my spelling program of interest.
I take it that you are talking about my screen oriented spelling
checker

 123111 Mar 29 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspell24.zip
 tspell24.zip Screen oriented spelling checker & word frequency counter.

To be honest, I am not very pleased with it even myself, and I have
a better one for you.

> Can you tell me how to get it to load and pass the ascii file at the
> same time? I mean in one command string or by batch file.  What I
> want to do is use this spell checker with my off line mail reader.
> When at the end of a reply to a message I'd like to check the
> spelling but do so without exiting the mail reader.
>
> I need to load the speller then pass the name of the file being
> edited to TSpell.
>
> Suggestions?

Yes I understand, and I have a much better alternative than Tspell
which I don't use any more even myself.  Instead consider

 67370 Sep 29 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tschek14.zip
 tschek14.zip A Unix-like spelling checker (for MsDos ascii files).

You can make it check spelling from a command line and even from
within an editor, if the editor has good macro commands like the
Qedit editor has.  That's the way I do it myself.  The documentation
will explain to you the how to.

If you wish specifically to use the Qedit macros, you'll find that
also the following file might be of use

 31255 Jan 8 1993 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsqed17.zip
 tsqed17.zip Macros and configurations for QEdit text-editor.

> If I can get this to work I'll gladly register my copy.

That is very kind of you, but although it does not necessarily make
good business sense from me to say so, you only need to register if

 1) You wish to have the bigger version.

or

 2) You use it for non-private purposes at your work.

Incidentally there is a review of my spelling checkers available in

 35340 Apr 30 07:58 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/tspost19.zip
 tspost19.zip Information email + postings, from 17-Feb-94 to 29-Apr-94

items

 29 Jun 19 Peter Breuer (172) TSCHEK, Review of spell checkers
 30 Jun  8 Peter Breuer (187) TSpell, REVIEW of spell checkers

> Thanks
>
> Pat

    All the best, Timo

> ... A bureaucracy can outwait anything.

I've been found out! :-).

> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Sep 13 22:23:46 1994
Subject: Re: comp.archives.msdos.{announce,d} FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
To: simonr@ncp.gpt.co.uk (Simon Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 22:23:46 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9409131526.AA19661@suncs16.LOCAL> from "Simon Ritchie" at Sep 13, 94 04:26:33 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> I have been reading the comp.archives.msdos.announce newsgroup for a
> few weeks, and I have been getting a bit confused.

I'll try to help you.

> Now that I have read your FAQ, things are clearer, but I'm still not
> sure I understand fully.

Good! Reading the FAQ first was the right thing to do.

> It appears to me that the newsgroup describes activity in two
> *separate* archives, simtel and garbo, and that these contain
> different material.

The CAM.announce newsgroup is for the announcements of all MsDos FTP
sites, not just SimTel and Garbo. But as it happens SimTel and Garbo
have been by far the most active. There have been occasional
announcement from other sites, though, like ftp.uml.edu, the games
site.

SimTel and Garbo have similarities, but they differ both in scope
and mission. A few words about Garbo, since it is my responsibility.
While SimTel has a broad scope and about for times as much material,
Garbo specializes in quality MsDos maintenance utilities,
educational material, Turbo Pascal programming, and would like to
specialize in scientific working papers. But the input tp the
/pc/research area from the users has been a big disappointment so
far. Garbo is a university site, and our general mission is the
enhancement of rational knowledge and users' interest in science.
Our popular activities are subservient to this goal.

> Have I got this right?  If so, may I suggest that you add a short
> note to the FAQ explaining this, and, if possible, describing the
> different purposes of the two archives.  The FAQ as it stands assumes
> that the reader already knows that the two archives exist and
> understands what they are for.

This is a good suggestion, and I'll have to think about it. The
problem is that, despite how it looks, the newsgroup (like I said in
the above) is not only about these two sites.

> I presume that there is a FAQ for each archive which we tell me all
> this in detail, but this is the first FAQ I see when I read this
> newsgroup and I think a short note here would help, if only a pointer
> to the other two FAQs.

I have organized this at Garbo so is that there is a huge about of
Garbo related FAQ material in the garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/tspost*.zip
feedback files.  If you are interested in these, the best way to
start is to download my FAQ index.  It is available as

 24606 Sep 4 05:54 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip
 tspost00.zip Index for Timo's FAQs and Information email + postings

> Cheers

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
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From J.Oosting@Farmaco.RULIMBURG.NL  Thu Sep 15 16:56:32 1994
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:54:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: J.Oosting@Farmaco.RULIMBURG.NL (Jan Oosting)
Subject: Turbo Pascal FAQ question 45
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Status: RO

(Jan's message concerning /pc/ts/tsfaqp41.zip is included as such,
but two notes from Timo: First, this particular item has been so
difficult that I am now just adding the users' welcome comments to
/pc/pd2/tspost*.zip as such.  Second, my programs and my FAQs are
for the vanilla MsDos.  The incompatibilities of DR-DOS or 4DOS are
not my doing.)

Dear Timo,

After searching for a way to detect whether a directory exists I of
course found an answer in your FAQ.  I tried the functions out and
found a few errors (or maybe differnces in opinion in them)

I made a test program to demonstrate the differences between methods
and a method of my own.  The differences are described in the
program.  I would like to hear your opinion on these.

The first test is using the function with an empty string.  I think
this should return TRUE because you are referring to the current
directory.  Adding a filename to an empty string results in a
useable file description.

IsDirfn Returns False when an existing drive letter is given with
':' Again when a filename is added to this string it refers to this
file in the current directory and the function should return TRUE.

Under DR-DOS IsDir2fn returns TRUE to almost all input and is
therefore not useable with this operating system, while IsDirfn
returns FALSE to 'C:\'

The solution given by Jeroen Schipper in the FAQ shows wrong results
when directories are input with trailing backslashes.

I'm looking forard to your comments on this

Jan Oosting


J.Oosting@Farmaco.RULimburg.nl



BTW. I have compiled the program in BP 7.0 real mode and used it in MS-DOS 6.2
and DR-DOS 6.0

-------   Cut here ----------------------

Program TestDirs;
Uses Dos,TSUNTJ;

Function DirExist(Dir:PathStr):Boolean;
Var FileInfo : SearchRec;
    Path:PathStr;
    T :Integer;
begin
  Dir:=FExpand(Dir);  { Makes a fully qualified filename }
  { Append a wildcard }
  If Dir[Length(Dir)]='\' Then
    Dir:=Dir+'*.*'
  Else
    Dir:=Dir+'\*.*';
  FindFirst(Dir,AnyFile,FileInfo);
  T:=DosError;
  If ((T<>3) And    {Path not found (MS-DOS)}
      (T<>15)) Then {Invalid drive number (DR-DOS)}
    DirExist:=True
  Else
    DirExist:=False;
End;

Procedure TestDir(Comment:String;Dir:PathStr);
Begin
  WriteLn(Comment:25,Dir:20,DirExist(Dir):8,IsDirFn(Dir):8,IsDir2fn(Dir):9,IsDir3fn(Dir):9);
End;
Var k:String;

Begin
  ChDir('D:\BP');
  WriteLn('                  Comment           Directory DirExist IsDirfn IsDir2fn IsDir3fn');
  {These lines show differences between the functions}
  {Empty string : Direxist :True  IsDir*fn : False}
  TestDir('Current dir','');
  {DirExist,IsDirfn : False ;  IsDir2fn and IsDir3fn : True}
  TestDir('Non existing drive','k:');
  {IsDirFn : False ; Others : true}
  TestDir('Current drive','d:');
  {IsDirFn : False ; Others : true}
  TestDir('Existing drive','c:');
  { The following are the same for MS-DOS 6.2 but differ for DR-DOS 6.0}
  {MSDos: False DRDos:IsDir2fn TRUE ; others False}
  TestDir('No Backslash','BP');
  {True}
  TestDir('With backslash','\BP');
  {True}
  TestDir('Dir in curr dir','BIN');
  {True}
  TestDir('Trailing backslash','BIN\');
  {True}
  TestDir('Ref without drive','\BP\BIN\');
  {True}
  TestDir('Ref with drive','D:\BP\BIN');
  {Following 3 MSDOS:False; DRDos:IsDir2fn True , others false}
  TestDir('Non existing dir','D:\dh\bin');
  TestDir('Wild card dir','bin*');
  TestDir('Wild card file','D:\bp\bin\bp.*');
  {MSDOS : True; DRDos IsDirFN False; Others True}
  TestDir('Drive w/backslash','C:\');
  {TRUE}
  TestDir('Dir on non-curr drive','c:\temp');
  {False}
  TestDir('Existing file','C:\autoexec.bat');
  WriteLn('Press Enter');
  ReadLn(k);
end.

------ Cut Here -----------------------------------



From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Sep 19 08:29:19 EET DST 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
Subject: A patch for TSUNTE in tspa34*.zip
Date: 19 Sep 1994 04:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

My

 112570 Aug 16 21:31 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa3470.zip
 tspa34**.zip Turbo Pascal *.* real mode units for (real:-) programmers.

TSUNTE unit has a bug in the monochrome detection.  Here is a patch.

(* Is the monitor a monochrome monitor, if false, then color monitor *)
function MONOFN : boolean;
var regs : registers;
begin
  FillChar (regs, SizeOf(regs), 0);
  regs.ah := $0F;
  Intr ($10, regs);
  monofn := (regs.al = 7);
end;  (* monofn *)

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Sep 28 23:32:22 EET 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit suspended at Garbo
Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:53:29 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  As
you may know it is Garbo's policy not to carry any utilities that
may not be distributed on a potential Garbo CD-ROM.  It now turns
out from fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) that MsKermit
has such a limitation.  The files have not yet been physically
deleted, but their read permissions have been removed.  For all
details of the situation please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc
newsgroup.  Please do not direct any queries about this to Garbo's
moderators.

   All the best, Timo


-Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:32:09 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
-Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo

In article <ts9409272153.29032@chyde.uwasa.fi> ts@chyde.uwasa.fi
(Timo Salmi) writes:
:Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  The

The negotiations to resolve the situation between Garbo and Columbia
about MsKermit distribution limitations have now broken down.  The
MsKermit material has been permanently withdrawn from Garbo.  From
now on I am answering *NO* questions by email relating to this
matter or MsKermit or its availability.  Please use the Usenet
newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc instead.

   All the best, Timo


-Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:52:16 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel

In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe
Doupnik) writes:
:       The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs.
:The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific
:browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but
:the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction.
:That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others
:and covered by copyright restrictions.

Partly, but it is much more than that.  For example SimTel (and
Garbo if we'll have a CDROM) sell the directory arrangements, the
index files, the huge amount of work done in preselection, the virus
and integrity testing performed on the material.  Of course those
could not exist without the existence of the actual authors'
products, but saying "trading for profit in works copyrighted by
others and covered by copyright restrictions" is far too narrow a
view to this issue as I have tried to point out in private
conversation.

An author has all the right to forbid us having his/her material on
our archives as a result of our material going to CDROMs.  That is
unequivocal, and we abide without a protest in that respect.  But
presenting us as commercially utilizing the work others is
inaccurate and oversimplified.  There is a considerable value added
in maintaining and making such collections.  If a Garbo CD-ROM is
ever made, the charge will be for that, not the original programs.
Note that the University of Vaasa, Finland, owns its directory
structure and its index files.  They are our own copyright, and the
selling price for any potential Garbo CD-ROM is for this.

   All the best, Timo


-Date: 30 Sep 1994 04:22:51 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
-Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?

In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:available via ftp, just as it always was.  Once again, for the umpteenth
:time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites.

Technically true, but lopsided.

Let me explicitly spell out the existing alternatives.

1) We leave current the situation as is.  Consequence: No MsKermit
material at SimTel and Garbo.

2) Columbia change their policies and lift their ban on CDROM
distribution altogether.  Obviously out of the question.

3) Columbia change part of their policies by granting SimTel and
Garbo an exception permission to have MsKermit material also on
their CDROMs.  Consequence: The material would be put back on these
two sites and all their mirrors.  My preferred solution.  (What
other FTP sites and BBSes will and would do is outside our
jurisdiction).

4) SimTel and Garbo give up CDROMs.  Totally unrealistic.  Out of the
question.

5) SimTel and Garbo set aside a section for restricted material.  As
for Garbo, I am not prepared to do that.  Way too cumbersome and
confusing.  No motivation.

These are the simple facts of the situation.  At the moment it seems
that alternative #1 will prevail.

   All the best, Timo


-Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:00:07 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Kermit, SimTel, Garbo and CDROMs: A plea for calm.

As the gentle readers will know, Columbia, SimTel and Garbo have not
managed to find a mutually acceptable solution that would enable
retaining Kermit on SimTel and Garbo.

Please, PLEASE, dear readers.  This does not make any of us bad
persons.  I am distressed to hear that especially Frank has been
flamed for his stance.  That is *NOT* fair.  We parties concerned
are all dedicated persons, Kermit is a fine product, and we try to
maintain good FTP sites in SimTel and Garbo.

Please allow us the right to have these problems without pouncing on
anyone.  It is bad enough that we have come at the impasse.  We do
not want the extra pressured from flamage.  Please state your views
calmly and rationally.

It is true that I wished that Frank would have a different policy
about Kermit distribution on SimTel and Garbo CDROMs.  But it is his
right and privilege.  I am not contesting that.  In fact I am ready
to defend his rights to having his own views, even if they diverge
from my own preferences.

A final thing for this message.  Frank as been several times
regretting the existence of comp.protocols.kermit.misc because of
this.  That is totally unnecessary!  This discussion would have
taken place with or without this particular newsgroup.  Its original
purpose STILL is intact.  But we must be allowed to discuss this
dilemma.  If it bothers anybody, kill these subjects at your
newsreaders.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Sep 29 21:10:10 1994
Subject: Re: Garbo download counters?
To: paf@fbit.msk.su (Alexander Petrosyan)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:10:10 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hello, Timo!

Hi Garbo User,

> How can I find out how many times one or another file was downloaded from
> Garbo?

 187134 Sep 26 08:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog94.zip
 ftplog94.zip Weekly download statistics for Garbo in 1994

 109862 Sep 26 10:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftpts94.zip
 ftpts94.zip Downloads of Timo's files in 1994

   All the best, Timo


-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 1994 08:46:10 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: Download counters?

> Hello, Timo!

Hello Garbo User!

> >> How can I find out how many times one or another file was downloaded from
> >> Garbo?
>
> TS>  187134 Sep 26 08:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog94.zip
> TS>  ftplog94.zip Weekly download statistics for Garbo in 1994
>
> What if I know the file spec and don't want to download the whole
> ftplog (180K - you see?)?

Thank you for your email.  I am glad to try to help, but I would
really appreciate and prefer if general Garbo and other MsDos FTP
site related questions were posted to the Usenet newsgroup
comp.archives.msdos.d where I can try to answer recurring questions
at one go.  That is partly what the newsgroup is for, if you have
access to it.

Here is the actual answer.  Garbo's weekly download statistics are
also available seperatedly for the last three weeks.  For example

 10547 Sep 26 08:46 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog38.lst
 ftplog38.lst Ftp stats from Garbo (calls,files,hosts) week 38 1994

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland
From d88-eli@nada.kth.se  Wed Jul 12 19:40:16 1993
From: d88-eli@nada.kth.se (Erik Liljencrantz)
Subject: pc/pd2/tspost21.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 89 19:40:16 +0200
Status: RO

Hi Timo!

  I'm very pleased to hear that You use Turbo Pascal too. I have been a
dedicated Turbo Pascal user for years (well, at least 3 or 4), and I'm
expecting my upgrade to version 5.5 any day now...
  But I'm also doing a lot of serious assembly programming.

  As I actually used the 8x8 bitmapped font in a Turbo Pascal program when
I had a printer without the IBM character set I located it and here are some
(partially rewritten) lines that might be useful:

TYPE
  OneChar=ARRAY [0..7] OF BYTE;               { Bitmap for character }
  OneCharPtr=^OneChar;                        { Pointer to bitmap }

FUNCTION GetCharBitMapPtr(Ch:CHAR):OneCharPtr;
{ Return pointer to supplied character. }
TYPE
  LoCharArr=ARRAY [  #0..#127] OF OneChar;    { Low half }
  HiCharArr=ARRAY [#128..#255] OF OneChar;    { High half }
VAR
  LoChars: LoCharArr ABSOLUTE $F000:$FA6E;   { Array for lower half }
  HiChars:^HiCharArr ABSOLUTE $0000:$007C;   { Pointer to upper half }
BEGIN
  IF Ch<#128 THEN
    GetCharBitMapPtr:=OneCharPtr(Addr(LoChars [Ch]))
  ELSE
    GetCharBitMapPtr:=OneCharPtr(Addr(HiChars^[Ch]));
END;

  This function returns a pointer to the bitmap, which can be used to
plot the character (on screen, printer or...). The difficult (and ugly) thing
when outputing to matrix printers is that they have their pins located
vertically, while the bitmap is horizontal.

  As You see above I've used the address F000:FA6E. I wrote it for my PC once
upon a time, and it does work in my AT too. I don't remember the TWO different
addresses you mentioned, but are they really necessary? I believe the AT is
"backward compatible" in this sense...

  Are you interested in a utility I've written which gives the following
diagnose (actual output on my system):

Free diskspace :   124928 bytes,  122 of 32652 Kb,  0.37%     Country   46
Free RAM memory:   365248 bytes,  356 of   640 Kb, 55.73%
Free EMS memory:   262144 bytes,  256 of   512 Kb, 50.00%
Extended memory:        0 Kb.

  The EMS line isn't displayed if EMS isn't present. Extended is always
displayed on AT's.

  I call it FREE and use it regularly... It's small (643 bytes), written in
assembler and I offer FREE for free (i.e. public domain). If you wan't it I
post it to you, including assembly source... If you include it in one of your
utility archives I would be delighted.

Happy hacking,
  Erik Liljencrantz
  d88-eli@nada.kth.se

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Oct 11 19:15:52 1994
Subject: Re: Garbo Turbo Pascal Site
To: wrozmiar@clark.net (William D. Rozmiarek)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:15:52 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9410111053.A29911-0100000@explorer> from "William D. Rozmiarek" at Oct 11, 94 10:15:22 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the upkeep of the 
> garbo.wuasa.fi FTP site.  It is an invaluable resource for me in the 
> Turbo Pascal world.  The clarity and descriptiveness of the different TP 
> libraries are a great help to me.

I am very pleased to hear this, William.  Especially since I
invested a huge amount of work into the Turbo Pascal section
rearrangement and the file descriptions clarifications on Garbo.  I
look at each and every Turbo Pascal package we have.  It was worth
it. 

> I would just like to say "thank-you" to you and the other Garbo moderators.

Appreciated.

> please pass this e-mail on to the other moderators.

I'll be pleased to.

> ---------------------------------
> William D. Rozmiarek
> CIS:74743,711
> Internet:wrozmiar@clark.net
> ---------------------------------

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ken.russell@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us Sat Oct 15 01:53:32 EET 1994
From: ken.russell@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us (KEN RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: "TIME" in a batch file...
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:36:00 -0500
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS (513) 752-1055
Status: RO

KEVIN BULL <kb94aa@badger.ac.BrockU.CA> wrote:
>Is it possible to display the time and date in
>a batch file without having the option to change
>it?

echo I am just temp > nowtmp$$.bat
echo.| dir nowtmp$$.bat /a-d | find/i "nowtmp$$" > now$$$.bat
echo set now!=%%4  %%3 > nowtmp$$.bat
call now$$$
echo %now!%
rem clean up
set now!=
del nowtmp$$.bat
del now$$$.bat

The results will look something like
8:02a 10-12-94

I got the idea for this from Timo Salmi`s
batricks.txt in

 116131 Sep 4 05:12 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat46.zip
 tsbat46.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks

ken.russell@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct 19 01:23:16 1994
Subject: Re: Thanks for Garbo's guidance
To: bauer@acc.jc.edu (Travis Bauer)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:23:16 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9410181424.A10757-0100000@acc.jc.edu> from "Travis Bauer" at Oct 18, 94 02:23:19 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

>Professor Salmi,

Hello Garbo User,

>        I was just logged into your archive.  I was impressed with the
>"highlights" message when you change into a directory.  It helps pick out
>the interesting files.

You are most welcome.  This is part of my Garbo maintenance
philosophy.  A (hopefully good) FTP site is much more than the files
on it.  It is the way the material is organized, indexed and the way
the user is guided through the system after logging in.  After we
got a new ftp program about half a year ago, I put some effort to
the guidance system at Garbo.  Unless you precede your password
(that is your email address) with a - you will automatically see the
contents of the directory's .message file each time when you first
go to a directory using the cd command. 

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



